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WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

7 messages in this thread | Started on 2002-09-08

Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-09-08 04:27:55 UTC
I'm sorry but I can't agree with you regarding some points here. A
few months ago, I learned about letterboxing and was extremely
excited to start participating in the adventure. Over the past
couple of months I have placed and located several boxes in my
area. I received a message from Glenn (of Tacoma) the day I placed
my first letterbox (in July, I think) that included a video of their
antics at my letterbox that I placed in my hometown near the Seattle
area. I perceived the 15 second video clip they included as
something pretty jovial and sort of a gentle 'hazing' to welcome me
into the sport of letterboxing. I took it as a friendly gesture not
as a threat or intimidation. The video suggested that they found
the box and simply tossed it in the general location of its actual
hiding place and left without putting it back. This was just a
joke, upon further inspection, the letterbox was actual re-hidden
safe and sound in its intended hiding place. I'm not sure what else
has transpired in this community regarding the various men in the
Seattle/Tacoma area. I just want to defend Glenn in this particular
case as I never felt threatened or intimidated by his antics in this
case.

I'm a married, stay at home, homeschooling mom (in the Army
Reserves) who joined this sport to provide us with an excuse to get
out and enjoy the outdoors and to lessen the stress we feel as a
family which has two members who may, at any moment, be called upon
to defend the country (which is a perpetual VERY STRESSFUL thought
in my mind) in far off locations. We already loved doing outdoorsy
activities and this sport seemed to add an additional intriguing
element to it and provided an opportunity for the family to get
together during an exciting activity. It provided me with an
opportunity to get 'artistic' as it required us to create stamps and
come up with interesting ideas for creating the containers to hide
the letterbox contents in and to research the various locations in
which we could try to hide the boxes. I also added an extra
challenge to myself, in trying to participate in the sport without
spending a tremendous fortune in the process. This encouraged me to
scour thrift shops and dollar stores trying to procure items for the
contents of the letterboxes. I always love a 'fiscal' challenge--
I guess that's the former professional working woman turned SAHM
trying to make ends meet on one salary transitional quality showing
through here. :)

Anyway, I have really enjoyed many aspects of letterboxing (despite
my car getting broken into and over $2,000 of contents being
stolen/damaged during a recent letterbox hunt in Tacoma). I have
visited myriad locations that are beautiful, breathtaking,
exsquisite, challenging, daunting and historical--places that I
would never have known about prior to letterboxing--all because of
this sport. I have seen animals and plants that I've never seen
before. I've learned how to identify various types of trees. I
climbed mountains with a baby on my back that I would have never
previously attempted by myself (with a 3 year old in tow). I've
camped at locations around our area in pursuit of far off
letterboxes. I've climbed over an incredible obstacle and down a 20
foot cliff trying to locate a letterbox (with a baby on my back & a
3 year old in tow--Snoq Falls--what a rush!!!). I've met many
friendly people (virtually) through email exchanges upon finding
their/my letterboxes along the way. All of these people I have
found to be quite interesting and friendly and people, even despite
our probable differences in many other different areas/aspects of
life, that I think I could become close friends with if we ever were
to meet in person. All of these positive things have resulted from
our letterboxing in my area (predominantly Seattle, but I've
ventured a bit into Oregon and Northern California, as well).

As I'm quite new to this sport, I'm not sure what events, if any,
may have transpired in this area before my learning about and recent
involvement in the sport. I know, however, in a large community
such as this the letterboxing of North America (or is it the world
now?), that people are united by one major reason, which is they
have a passion for the hobby of letterboxing. There may exist many
other differences among these people, but for this instant and
regarding this activity, they all seem to share a passion and an
intense feeling for letterboxing. Can't that be enough, especially
in a world that is so threatened by outsiders whose sole mission in
life seems to be to destroy our culture in its entirety?
Letterboxing is one more aspect where we, as a
people/nation/country/hobby group, can unite and share joy and a
common goal in the sheer act of placing and locating letterboxes.

I hope many positive things will result from letterboxing in the
future, in my case, my life and the lives of many members of my
family and close friends, have been richly blessed by our recent
participation in letterboxing. I hope you have been so wonderfully
and positively blessed, as well, in your pursuits of the sport.

Bethany Lee
aka 'dvn2r ckr' otherwise known as Adventure Seeker
DuPont, WA
F48P15X6


--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "A.D." wrote:
> Anyone else notice that all these opinionated men with
> the crappy attitudes all seem to hail from this circle
> in Washington?
>
> First you've got immature Glenn and his childish
> antics.
>
> Why BBurk is still here after he sent threatening
> emails and video about what he and Glenn do to the
> letterboxes of those he doesn't like to other list
> members is beyond my scope of comprehension. (And yes,
> clues were probably pulled to those boxes you keep
> harping about, alright, already? Or would you like
> someone to do to them what you two do to other's
> boxes? Might be safer to have those clues pulled
> afterall...)
>
> And now a self proclaimed stamp-art critic who digs
> himself only deeper and deeper but won't see his part
> in the debacle- are you sure you aren't that nasty
> Simon guy from that stupid Idol show on Fox?
>
> Maybe I really don't want to visit Seattle--I don't
> think I really want to be rated on a Roseanne Barr/Meg
> Ryan scale. Gag!
>
>
>
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Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) | Date: 2002-09-08 04:50:30 UTC
"A.D." wrote:

> First you've got immature Glenn and his childish
> antics.
>
> Why BBurk is still here after he sent threatening
> emails and video about what he and Glenn do to the
> letterboxes of those he doesn't like to other list
> members is beyond my scope of comprehension. (And yes,
> clues were probably pulled to those boxes you keep
> harping about, alright, already? Or would you like
> someone to do to them what you two do to other's
> boxes? Might be safer to have those clues pulled
> afterall...)


A.D. Do you believe in miracles? I do!


Monica
>



Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) | Date: 2002-09-08 05:12:45 UTC
Bethany, Don't feel sorry for Genn. I suggest that you go read all
of the archives that GLenn posted. You would be surprised at how he
got his kicks on harassing people on this board.

Monica


"dvn2rckr" wrote:
> I'm sorry but I can't agree with you regarding some points here. A
> few months ago, I learned about letterboxing and was extremely
> excited to start participating in the adventure. Over the past
> couple of months I have placed and located several boxes in my
> area. I received a message from Glenn (of Tacoma) the day I placed
> my first letterbox (in July, I think) that included a video of
their
> antics at my letterbox that I placed in my hometown near the
Seattle
> area. I perceived the 15 second video clip they included as
> something pretty jovial and sort of a gentle 'hazing' to welcome me
> into the sport of letterboxing. I took it as a friendly gesture
not
> as a threat or intimidation. The video suggested that they found
> the box and simply tossed it in the general location of its actual
> hiding place and left without putting it back. This was just a
> joke, upon further inspection, the letterbox was actual re-hidden
> safe and sound in its intended hiding place. I'm not sure what
else
> has transpired in this community regarding the various men in the
> Seattle/Tacoma area. I just want to defend Glenn in this
particular
> case as I never felt threatened or intimidated by his antics in
this
> case.



Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: pairomedicsandtheivs (squad51@earthlink.net) | Date: 2002-09-08 14:26:04 UTC
I'd have to agree with Monica, don't feel sorry for these folks. I'd
like to enlighten you to the fact also that the video clip WAS NOT A
JOKE. It is a threat along with the little message of their
vigilante group and what might happen to boxes of people they don't
like. BB and Glenn go by Trial-N-Error and X marks the spot. They
have threatened to send viruses to peoples computers and to ruin
letterboxes of those who "don't measure up". Their posts have been
rude and down right mean. They've even logged into the group under
various screen names and written some pretty hateful statements.
Many felt that their "antics" wasn't hazing but harrasement.




--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "lizardbuttsfamily" wrote:
> Bethany, Don't feel sorry for Genn. I suggest that you go read all
> of the archives that GLenn posted. You would be surprised at how he
> got his kicks on harassing people on this board.
>
> Monica
>
>
> "dvn2rckr" wrote:
> > I'm sorry but I can't agree with you regarding some points here.
A
> > few months ago, I learned about letterboxing and was extremely
> > excited to start participating in the adventure. Over the past
> > couple of months I have placed and located several boxes in my
> > area. I received a message from Glenn (of Tacoma) the day I
placed
> > my first letterbox (in July, I think) that included a video of
> their
> > antics at my letterbox that I placed in my hometown near the
> Seattle
> > area. I perceived the 15 second video clip they included as
> > something pretty jovial and sort of a gentle 'hazing' to welcome
me
> > into the sport of letterboxing. I took it as a friendly gesture
> not
> > as a threat or intimidation. The video suggested that they found
> > the box and simply tossed it in the general location of its
actual
> > hiding place and left without putting it back. This was just a
> > joke, upon further inspection, the letterbox was actual re-hidden
> > safe and sound in its intended hiding place. I'm not sure what
> else
> > has transpired in this community regarding the various men in the
> > Seattle/Tacoma area. I just want to defend Glenn in this
> particular
> > case as I never felt threatened or intimidated by his antics in
> this
> > case.


Re: [LbNA] Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: BB (bburk@harbornet.com) | Date: 2002-09-08 10:47:33 UTC-07:00
Let's recap this whole video thing that I Bill,
AKA BB, AKA Trial-n-Error, am responsible for.
Below is the thread from beginning to end with MSG #s
so you can see for yourself there are no omissions.
Yes, there are more messages with this subject line,
but the content had changed to a different subject,
so I did not include them.
If I have missed any, please bring it to my attention.

Please take note as to who is saying what in the following posts,
and whether they are to the group or off-line.
Also note that no Email address have been revealed.
I will be glad to send the video to any who ask,
be advised it is 1.4mb in size if bandwidth is a concern.
----
Bill

--------
MSG # 14397
From: "astonished_1" Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:31 am
Subject: What the...?

I've been watching the posts from the sidelines for a while now and
feel compelled to chime in with my own 2 cents worth.

I thought these boards were for Letterboxing. Benchmarks and Geo-
caching should be discussed on that website. Since many letterboxers
do NOT geo-cache, count your benchmarks at the appropriate web site.

While I'm on the subject of counting... Who cares how many boxes
anyone has found or not? Does it really change the fun that you're
having while you're out hunting for the letterbox? The only one that
gets cheated is the one who mis-represents themselves. I couldn't
care less if someone has found 50 or 2000 boxes because it doesn't
change MY letterboxing experience.

First finders? Bring 'em on. There's a certain pride to be had in
being the first to log into a box that no one else has found,
especially if it's a mystery box. Enjoy your find, brag about it
(not too much though) and then go about the business of letterboxing
again.

A 5 yeard old child prodigy? Please.

Again, this was just my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave it as you
please.

==============================
MSG # 14399
From: "BB" Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?

Be careful Astonished_1, people have been banned for such blasphemy!
Trial-n-Error

==========================
MSG # 14403
From: "astonished_1" Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:00 am
Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?

Thank you Trial-n-Error. I was overcome with emotion and was
compelled to write. I'm better now and will return to reading the
posts rather than creating posts.

=======================
OFF LINE MESSAGE
From: BB
To: drgore11@e.....>
Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
I just felt compelled to set you straight, lest you be banned from lurking
and your computer refuse to open any Letter Box clue sheets. Any further
transgressions may be met with a stealth virus that formats your hard drive.

X marks the Spot and I have formed our own vigilante group to deal with
'boxers' that don't measure up.
Attached is a video that demonstrates what I mean.
Be careful, this could happen to you!
Trial-n-Error

This is the same video that dvn2rckr refers to in message # 15993
It showed us re-hiding her very first letterbox she placed.
It was intended as a joke, and taken as a joke.
If you saw the video you would understand.

=======================
OFF LINE MESSAGE
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "BB"
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?


> Bill-
> I'm not sure if you and Glenn sent me a threat or not. I'd like to hope
> not. Anyway, just to be safe I forwarded this message to several people
> just to get their input on the subject.
>
> It was an interesting video [you sent] to be sure but I have other things
> to worry about other than some old men in Washington who know how to throw
> Tupperware around.

=======================
Astonished_1 saw the video and didn't understand it's meaning,
and assumed the whole thread between us was serious.
Even after my off-line message to him/her that appears at the end of this post.

MSG # 14481
From: "astonished_1" Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:03 am
Subject: This is what I got as a response to my opinion.

There is also a video that I'm trying to post.....thanks for the info
BB

=======================
MSG # 14483
From: "astonished_1" Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:18 am
Subject: Re: This is what I got as a response to my opinion.

I can't seem to get the video to load here, if you want to see it,
respond to this thread and I will email it to you. It does show the
extremes people will go to.

========================
OFF LINE MESSAGE
From: BB
To: drgore11@e.....
Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?

Don't take things so serious, this is for fun right?
Sarcasm does not always reveal itself in print ............
========================

The latest one to fall victim to hearsay and misinterpretation:
MSG # 16026
----- Original Message -----
From: "pairomedicsandtheivs"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:26 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men


> I'd have to agree with Monica, don't feel sorry for these folks. I'd
> like to enlighten you to the fact also that the video clip WAS NOT A
> JOKE. It is a threat along with the little message of their
> vigilante group and what might happen to boxes of people they don't
> like.
---SNIP----

[LbNA] Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-09-08 23:58:01 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "BB" wrote:
> Let's recap this whole video thing that I Bill,
> AKA BB, AKA Trial-n-Error, am responsible for.
> Below is the thread from beginning to end with MSG #s
> so you can see for yourself there are no omissions.
> Yes, there are more messages with this subject line,
> but the content had changed to a different subject,
> so I did not include them.
> If I have missed any, please bring it to my attention.
>
> Please take note as to who is saying what in the following posts,
> and whether they are to the group or off-line.
> Also note that no Email address have been revealed.
> I will be glad to send the video to any who ask,
> be advised it is 1.4mb in size if bandwidth is a concern.
> ----
> Bill
>
> --------
> MSG # 14397
> From: "astonished_1" > Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:31 am
> Subject: What the...?
>
> I've been watching the posts from the sidelines for a while now
and
> feel compelled to chime in with my own 2 cents worth.
>
> I thought these boards were for Letterboxing. Benchmarks and Geo-
> caching should be discussed on that website. Since many
letterboxers
> do NOT geo-cache, count your benchmarks at the appropriate web
site.
>
> While I'm on the subject of counting... Who cares how many boxes
> anyone has found or not? Does it really change the fun that you're
> having while you're out hunting for the letterbox? The only one
that
> gets cheated is the one who mis-represents themselves. I couldn't
> care less if someone has found 50 or 2000 boxes because it doesn't
> change MY letterboxing experience.
>
> First finders? Bring 'em on. There's a certain pride to be had in
> being the first to log into a box that no one else has found,
> especially if it's a mystery box. Enjoy your find, brag about it
> (not too much though) and then go about the business of
letterboxing
> again.
>
> A 5 yeard old child prodigy? Please.
>
> Again, this was just my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave it as you
> please.
>
> ==============================
> MSG # 14399
> From: "BB" > Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:36 am
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
>
> Be careful Astonished_1, people have been banned for such
blasphemy!
> Trial-n-Error
>
> ==========================
> MSG # 14403
> From: "astonished_1" > Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:00 am
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
>
> Thank you Trial-n-Error. I was overcome with emotion and was
> compelled to write. I'm better now and will return to reading the
> posts rather than creating posts.
>
> =======================
> OFF LINE MESSAGE
> From: BB
> To: drgore11@e.....>
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
> I just felt compelled to set you straight, lest you be banned from
lurking
> and your computer refuse to open any Letter Box clue sheets. Any
further
> transgressions may be met with a stealth virus that formats your
hard drive.
>
> X marks the Spot and I have formed our own vigilante group to deal
with
> 'boxers' that don't measure up.
> Attached is a video that demonstrates what I mean.
> Be careful, this could happen to you!
> Trial-n-Error
>
> This is the same video that dvn2rckr refers to in message # 15993
> It showed us re-hiding her very first letterbox she placed.
> It was intended as a joke, and taken as a joke.
> If you saw the video you would understand.
>
> =======================
> OFF LINE MESSAGE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: "BB"
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
>
>
> > Bill-
> > I'm not sure if you and Glenn sent me a threat or not. I'd like
to hope
> > not. Anyway, just to be safe I forwarded this message to several
people
> > just to get their input on the subject.
> >
> > It was an interesting video [you sent] to be sure but I have
other things
> > to worry about other than some old men in Washington who know
how to throw
> > Tupperware around.
>
> =======================
> Astonished_1 saw the video and didn't understand it's meaning,
> and assumed the whole thread between us was serious.
> Even after my off-line message to him/her that appears at the end
of this post.
>
> MSG # 14481
> From: "astonished_1" > Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:03 am
> Subject: This is what I got as a response to my opinion.
>
> There is also a video that I'm trying to post.....thanks for the
info
> BB
>
> =======================
> MSG # 14483
> From: "astonished_1" > Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:18 am
> Subject: Re: This is what I got as a response to my opinion.
>
> I can't seem to get the video to load here, if you want to see it,
> respond to this thread and I will email it to you. It does show
the
> extremes people will go to.
>
> ========================
> OFF LINE MESSAGE
> From: BB
> To: drgore11@e.....
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] What the...?
>
> Don't take things so serious, this is for fun right?
> Sarcasm does not always reveal itself in print ............
> ========================
>
> The latest one to fall victim to hearsay and misinterpretation:
> MSG # 16026
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pairomedicsandtheivs"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:26 AM
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men
>
>
> > I'd have to agree with Monica, don't feel sorry for these
folks. I'd
> > like to enlighten you to the fact also that the video clip WAS
NOT A
> > JOKE. It is a threat along with the little message of their
> > vigilante group and what might happen to boxes of people they
don't
> > like.
> ---SNIP----

I'm not sure what this means. I was the original recipient of the
video clip and it was in response to my first letterbox. I
perceived the video clip as a joke and sort of a 'jokingly' welcome
into the 'letterboxing world'. I don't know Glenn or Bill from the
man on the moon, I just know that apparently I WAS THE ONE WHO
RECEIVED THE VIDEO and it was in reference to MY BOX. We (my family
of several members) laughed so hard upon viewing it that we could
hardly move. I never once felt threatened or intimidated by them
(nor did any of my family members. In fact, the last little bit in
the text portion of the email said that they were happy to find my
boxes, they got a history lesson to boot (referencing the DuPont
letterboxes) and that it wasn't a bad attempt for a newbie
(something like 'not bad for a newbie'). I took the entire incident
as a 'positive' and friendly prank and had no idea that other folks
had received the video, too. I hope this sheds some light on this
subject. I'm starting to not enjoy this website anymore and may
refrain from participating in the future. What a potentially
exciting and invigorating sport. Too bad it has to digress to these
sorts of things on the websites every couple of months (and even
worse it was the first few months that I started participating so
that's my ENTIRE perception of this sport). I sure hope things
improve here in the future because I have more precious and life-
threatening issues to be concerned about these days (such as
deploying to far off lands to defend this country) than to spend
much time or energy concerned about what is stated on this message
thread. I would love to continue participating in this sport but
boy do I need a mental vacation from all of this rubbish... My
stomach's tied up in knots over this stuff & I'm a very friendly,
non-confrontational person (and a Mom to boot)!

dvn2r ckr
F48P15X6


[LbNA] Re: WA: Crappy-natured Seattle/Tacoma area men

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-09-09 00:51:53 UTC
I think this was the original message I received from Glenn
regarding the 'infamous' video-- I didn't perceive it as very
threatening and if you could see the video, you would agree.
Unfortunately, I have an extremely slow (molasses-y) dialup
connection and can't upload/send video very easily.

Bethany
dvn2r ckr
F48P15X6

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To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
From: "Glenn" <@hotmail.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:18:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [LbNA] 2 new LBs in DuPont, WA




A very pleasant walk and a history lesson to boot! I always wondered
where Fort Nisqually was before they moved it to Tacoma and now I
have been there. Too Cool.

Caution: The mosquitoes near Box#1 are killers! The feasted on me in
a big way!



Thanks for placing these boxes Bethany.

Glenn